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	<title>Comments on: Don&#8217;t Do Business With Jack Butturini</title>
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		<title>By: Doug McCaughan</title>
		<link>http://realityme.net/2008/08/19/dont-do-business-with-jack-butturini/comment-page-1/#comment-185314</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug McCaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think this needs to degenerate into flame war on Jack Butturini. I disagree with his business ethics. I simply want people to recognize that by subscribing to this model of business, you are signing your child up for the equivalent of a gym membership and typically you end up lamenting that &quot;I really should go to the gym&quot; and instead pay to not go.

The lessons our child received were good. He gained skills and grew through the program. We just spent (are still spending) too much money for it.

In the old world, a bad customer experience would result in the unhappy customer telling 20 other people. In the new world, we blog it.

Oh, and as a consultant who frequently hears the words &quot;real job,&quot; I have to take issue with Rich Wilson/Concerned Parent/Albert Einstein on that last sentence. Whatever we do. Whatever passion we follow. However evil or good we choose to be. What we do to put food on the table and keep a roof over our heads, is &quot;a real job.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this needs to degenerate into flame war on Jack Butturini. I disagree with his business ethics. I simply want people to recognize that by subscribing to this model of business, you are signing your child up for the equivalent of a gym membership and typically you end up lamenting that &#8220;I really should go to the gym&#8221; and instead pay to not go.</p>
<p>The lessons our child received were good. He gained skills and grew through the program. We just spent (are still spending) too much money for it.</p>
<p>In the old world, a bad customer experience would result in the unhappy customer telling 20 other people. In the new world, we blog it.</p>
<p>Oh, and as a consultant who frequently hears the words &#8220;real job,&#8221; I have to take issue with Rich Wilson/Concerned Parent/Albert Einstein on that last sentence. Whatever we do. Whatever passion we follow. However evil or good we choose to be. What we do to put food on the table and keep a roof over our heads, is &#8220;a real job.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Albert Einstein</title>
		<link>http://realityme.net/2008/08/19/dont-do-business-with-jack-butturini/comment-page-1/#comment-185311</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert Einstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack Butturini must also be ignorant of the English language.  Say his son is &quot;arguably Lnoxville&#039;s best MMA Athlete&quot; means that it is debatable that he is what he states.  Maybe he means that it is &quot;inarguable.&quot;

Graduation from High School - Very Good
College Degree - Excellent
Adequate vocabulary - Priceless

Perhaps this is why you are a Karate guy as opposed to having a real job</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack Butturini must also be ignorant of the English language.  Say his son is &#8220;arguably Lnoxville&#8217;s best MMA Athlete&#8221; means that it is debatable that he is what he states.  Maybe he means that it is &#8220;inarguable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Graduation from High School &#8211; Very Good<br />
College Degree &#8211; Excellent<br />
Adequate vocabulary &#8211; Priceless</p>
<p>Perhaps this is why you are a Karate guy as opposed to having a real job</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned Parent</title>
		<link>http://realityme.net/2008/08/19/dont-do-business-with-jack-butturini/comment-page-1/#comment-185275</link>
		<dc:creator>Concerned Parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BUTTURINI WROTE:
&quot;I do not want to put anyone down, but Toni or any of her students are welcome to train with my Mixed Martial Arts team. One of my team members, my son, is arguably Knoxville’s best MMA Athlete.

This is not a threat, we promise not to hurt you or any of the nine bloggers who have spoken without hearing the other side of the story.&quot;

THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF YOUR ARROGANCE AND THE OBVIOUS NATURE OF YOU AND THOSE ASSOCIATED WITH YOU.  YOU ARE SUCH A TOUGH GUY.  BEING THE BEST MMA ATHLETE IS HARDLY A WORLD CLASS ACCOMPLISHMENT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BUTTURINI WROTE:<br />
&#8220;I do not want to put anyone down, but Toni or any of her students are welcome to train with my Mixed Martial Arts team. One of my team members, my son, is arguably Knoxville’s best MMA Athlete.</p>
<p>This is not a threat, we promise not to hurt you or any of the nine bloggers who have spoken without hearing the other side of the story.&#8221;</p>
<p>THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF YOUR ARROGANCE AND THE OBVIOUS NATURE OF YOU AND THOSE ASSOCIATED WITH YOU.  YOU ARE SUCH A TOUGH GUY.  BEING THE BEST MMA ATHLETE IS HARDLY A WORLD CLASS ACCOMPLISHMENT.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Wilson</title>
		<link>http://realityme.net/2008/08/19/dont-do-business-with-jack-butturini/comment-page-1/#comment-185265</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets see,,, Has a little kid drown at one of his &quot;martial arts&quot; activities.  Is implicated in providing alcohol to underage people.  Bilks customers out of $$$.  Posts threats on this site.   Files bankruptcy over and over.  History of a DUI in the family!  Nah, he&#039;s a great guy and a stellar pillar in our community.  I have a lt of respect for Mr. B, don&#039;t you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets see,,, Has a little kid drown at one of his &#8220;martial arts&#8221; activities.  Is implicated in providing alcohol to underage people.  Bilks customers out of $$$.  Posts threats on this site.   Files bankruptcy over and over.  History of a DUI in the family!  Nah, he&#8217;s a great guy and a stellar pillar in our community.  I have a lt of respect for Mr. B, don&#8217;t you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Butturini</title>
		<link>http://realityme.net/2008/08/19/dont-do-business-with-jack-butturini/comment-page-1/#comment-181436</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Butturini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Galvin wil contact on your equipment.  I will honor my end of our arrangement for Noahs lessons.  He can come to Karate tomorrow.

I am proud Noah and his achievment of Black Belt, and I hope you are too.

I did not bring your failure to follow through on your financial obligation to a public forum.

I would never try to sabotage a person&#039;s way of living, especially in a public forum.

See you in class or in court.

I think the statement &quot; I have to change my bank account and prepared to get suied&quot; is a threat to back out of legally binding agreement.

When the uneducated talk about the good old days, they forget that students use to have stand before a monastery and hope for a chance to do dishes and finally be accepted as a student.

We have came a long way.

I hope that the money you are trying to cheat me out of goes towards your drum set, etc.

What is sad is that you attack me in a public forum, accuse me of providing acohol to minors, defile my entire industry that I am proud of and believe in, simply beacuse your child runs your family.

I will leave this matter to powers that be.

I am very dissapointed in you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Galvin wil contact on your equipment.  I will honor my end of our arrangement for Noahs lessons.  He can come to Karate tomorrow.</p>
<p>I am proud Noah and his achievment of Black Belt, and I hope you are too.</p>
<p>I did not bring your failure to follow through on your financial obligation to a public forum.</p>
<p>I would never try to sabotage a person&#8217;s way of living, especially in a public forum.</p>
<p>See you in class or in court.</p>
<p>I think the statement &#8221; I have to change my bank account and prepared to get suied&#8221; is a threat to back out of legally binding agreement.</p>
<p>When the uneducated talk about the good old days, they forget that students use to have stand before a monastery and hope for a chance to do dishes and finally be accepted as a student.</p>
<p>We have came a long way.</p>
<p>I hope that the money you are trying to cheat me out of goes towards your drum set, etc.</p>
<p>What is sad is that you attack me in a public forum, accuse me of providing acohol to minors, defile my entire industry that I am proud of and believe in, simply beacuse your child runs your family.</p>
<p>I will leave this matter to powers that be.</p>
<p>I am very dissapointed in you.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug McCaughan</title>
		<link>http://realityme.net/2008/08/19/dont-do-business-with-jack-butturini/comment-page-1/#comment-181433</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug McCaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Jack Butturini! I appreciate your commenting here and I will happily discuss our business situation with you on the phone or in person. To clarify a couple of points:

First and foremost: &lt;strong&gt;I have never said I don’t have to honor your contract. All I am doing is trying to persuade others from falling into a similar circumstance.&lt;/strong&gt; I regret not exiting the contract when you offered the opportunity back during &lt;em&gt;your&lt;/em&gt; difficult time. 

&quot;We also removed any late charges placed by the Billing Company.&quot;
No you didn&#039;t. Anytime I asked the billing company to move the date to my preferred billing date of the 5th of the month, they added $15 and it was never refunded.

&quot;You still owe us for equipment that Noah used...&quot;
Let&#039;s be very clear on this. I paid for &lt;strong&gt;all&lt;/strong&gt; of the equipment Noah used in full! And bought new uniforms every time you demanded it.

If you wish to discuss this further, call me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jack Butturini! I appreciate your commenting here and I will happily discuss our business situation with you on the phone or in person. To clarify a couple of points:</p>
<p>First and foremost: <strong>I have never said I don’t have to honor your contract. All I am doing is trying to persuade others from falling into a similar circumstance.</strong> I regret not exiting the contract when you offered the opportunity back during <em>your</em> difficult time. </p>
<p>&#8220;We also removed any late charges placed by the Billing Company.&#8221;<br />
No you didn&#8217;t. Anytime I asked the billing company to move the date to my preferred billing date of the 5th of the month, they added $15 and it was never refunded.</p>
<p>&#8220;You still owe us for equipment that Noah used&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Let&#8217;s be very clear on this. I paid for <strong>all</strong> of the equipment Noah used in full! And bought new uniforms every time you demanded it.</p>
<p>If you wish to discuss this further, call me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Butturini</title>
		<link>http://realityme.net/2008/08/19/dont-do-business-with-jack-butturini/comment-page-1/#comment-181429</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Butturini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way Mr. McCaughan,

You still owe us for equipment that Noah used, kept and we never bothered you about due to your financial challenges.

How would you like to take care of that or should I give that for free?


You sir have taught your son a few good lessons, 1) How to quit 2) My word is useless 3) Cry like a baby when you can&#039;t get your way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way Mr. McCaughan,</p>
<p>You still owe us for equipment that Noah used, kept and we never bothered you about due to your financial challenges.</p>
<p>How would you like to take care of that or should I give that for free?</p>
<p>You sir have taught your son a few good lessons, 1) How to quit 2) My word is useless 3) Cry like a baby when you can&#8217;t get your way.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Butturini</title>
		<link>http://realityme.net/2008/08/19/dont-do-business-with-jack-butturini/comment-page-1/#comment-181428</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Butturini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you the  make choice to sign the contract or was a gun held to your head?

In your previous post you stated &quot; We  had pretty good experince until today&quot;

There are always two sides to every story.

Was that the day you decided your own word was useless.

Shame on you, considering all the favors and considerations you were given.

When you couldn&#039;t pay, we held your membership and allowed Noah to take for free. We also removed any late charges placed by the Billing Company.

I am proud of Noah and his accomplishments.

I am sure that now that we have made it to  our goal, getting Noah to Black Belt, you might want to spend your money elsewhere.


By the way, Wheelers Karate, Euns etc are good, even great schools and are comfortable with what they charge.

We too are comfortable with our tuition and have always been the most expensive school in the area, this is not meant as a slight towards anyone.

But your word should be your word.


We are still here for you and Noah,and will honor any untaken lessons at anytime, but shame on you sir for simply not living up to your word.

I do not want to put anyone down, but Toni or any of her students are welcome to train with my Mixed Martial Arts team. One of my team members, my son, is arguably Knoxville&#039;s best MMA Athlete.

This is not a threat, we promise not to hurt you or any of the nine bloggers who have spoken without hearing the other side of the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you the  make choice to sign the contract or was a gun held to your head?</p>
<p>In your previous post you stated &#8221; We  had pretty good experince until today&#8221;</p>
<p>There are always two sides to every story.</p>
<p>Was that the day you decided your own word was useless.</p>
<p>Shame on you, considering all the favors and considerations you were given.</p>
<p>When you couldn&#8217;t pay, we held your membership and allowed Noah to take for free. We also removed any late charges placed by the Billing Company.</p>
<p>I am proud of Noah and his accomplishments.</p>
<p>I am sure that now that we have made it to  our goal, getting Noah to Black Belt, you might want to spend your money elsewhere.</p>
<p>By the way, Wheelers Karate, Euns etc are good, even great schools and are comfortable with what they charge.</p>
<p>We too are comfortable with our tuition and have always been the most expensive school in the area, this is not meant as a slight towards anyone.</p>
<p>But your word should be your word.</p>
<p>We are still here for you and Noah,and will honor any untaken lessons at anytime, but shame on you sir for simply not living up to your word.</p>
<p>I do not want to put anyone down, but Toni or any of her students are welcome to train with my Mixed Martial Arts team. One of my team members, my son, is arguably Knoxville&#8217;s best MMA Athlete.</p>
<p>This is not a threat, we promise not to hurt you or any of the nine bloggers who have spoken without hearing the other side of the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Guiseppe Cornelius</title>
		<link>http://realityme.net/2008/08/19/dont-do-business-with-jack-butturini/comment-page-1/#comment-181327</link>
		<dc:creator>Guiseppe Cornelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack Butturini = Shameless Scum (IMHO)</description>
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		<title>By: Toni McSorley</title>
		<link>http://realityme.net/2008/08/19/dont-do-business-with-jack-butturini/comment-page-1/#comment-179635</link>
		<dc:creator>Toni McSorley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Garland, you are so right!  The website has been down for a week now and we are trying to get it figured out!  Remember, though, that the school operates on a tight wire and most of our work such as this is donated by parents or students.  Thank you for your suggestion, and your patience.  This bunch of instructors, self-included, are possibly the most technically inept people you&#039;ve ever met!  However, we shall overcome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garland, you are so right!  The website has been down for a week now and we are trying to get it figured out!  Remember, though, that the school operates on a tight wire and most of our work such as this is donated by parents or students.  Thank you for your suggestion, and your patience.  This bunch of instructors, self-included, are possibly the most technically inept people you&#8217;ve ever met!  However, we shall overcome!</p>
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		<title>By: Garland</title>
		<link>http://realityme.net/2008/08/19/dont-do-business-with-jack-butturini/comment-page-1/#comment-179360</link>
		<dc:creator>Garland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, it looks like Sensei Toni might need some help with her web site.  http://artsofthesamurai.net gives &quot;Table &#039;artsdvsamurai.sitemanagement&#039; doesn&#039;t exist&quot; (but the cached page on Google looks fine).  Maybe you guys should get together!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, it looks like Sensei Toni might need some help with her web site.  <a href="http://artsofthesamurai.net" rel="nofollow">http://artsofthesamurai.net</a> gives &#8220;Table &#8216;artsdvsamurai.sitemanagement&#8217; doesn&#8217;t exist&#8221; (but the cached page on Google looks fine).  Maybe you guys should get together!</p>
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		<title>By: Doug McCaughan</title>
		<link>http://realityme.net/2008/08/19/dont-do-business-with-jack-butturini/comment-page-1/#comment-179315</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug McCaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toni McSorley, that&#039;s great to hear! How can people interested in learning more get in touch with you? If you wish to keep contact information off the Internet, feel free to email me at juggler@gmail.com and let me know what I can pass onto people who ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toni McSorley, that&#8217;s great to hear! How can people interested in learning more get in touch with you? If you wish to keep contact information off the Internet, feel free to email me at <a href="mailto:juggler@gmail.com">juggler@gmail.com</a> and let me know what I can pass onto people who ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Toni McSorley</title>
		<link>http://realityme.net/2008/08/19/dont-do-business-with-jack-butturini/comment-page-1/#comment-179290</link>
		<dc:creator>Toni McSorley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My martial arts school has a 3 or 6 month agreement which is not a binding contract.  There are no belt testing fees, or other hidden fees built in.  Classes are small and offered 6 days per week.  Instructors donate their time, and financially disadvantaged students are always accepted on a scholarship program.  The idea is to Teach Martial Arts, not make a lot of money.  I understand other instructors who depend on their studios to make a living, but I don&#039;t believe in signing students for long contracts or EVER putting some kind of pressure on children to make their parents invest money.  I am part of a large group of instructors all across the United States who believe in old values.  Please don&#039;t turn you back on the arts:  find a school you like and an instructor you trust.  Don&#039;t be sucked into pressure, hype and high-gloss promises.  Spend time in the school before deciding if it is for you.  If you want to enroll your children, spend time watching how the instructor interacts with them.  If there are any alarm bells, trust your instincts and avoid that place.  There are fine schools available: investigate before you join! Our school has been in Knoxville for 26 years, and there are other well-established schools you will never see on a billboard.  The old values and codes of ethics still exist; don&#039;t give up on them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My martial arts school has a 3 or 6 month agreement which is not a binding contract.  There are no belt testing fees, or other hidden fees built in.  Classes are small and offered 6 days per week.  Instructors donate their time, and financially disadvantaged students are always accepted on a scholarship program.  The idea is to Teach Martial Arts, not make a lot of money.  I understand other instructors who depend on their studios to make a living, but I don&#8217;t believe in signing students for long contracts or EVER putting some kind of pressure on children to make their parents invest money.  I am part of a large group of instructors all across the United States who believe in old values.  Please don&#8217;t turn you back on the arts:  find a school you like and an instructor you trust.  Don&#8217;t be sucked into pressure, hype and high-gloss promises.  Spend time in the school before deciding if it is for you.  If you want to enroll your children, spend time watching how the instructor interacts with them.  If there are any alarm bells, trust your instincts and avoid that place.  There are fine schools available: investigate before you join! Our school has been in Knoxville for 26 years, and there are other well-established schools you will never see on a billboard.  The old values and codes of ethics still exist; don&#8217;t give up on them!</p>
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		<title>By: Doug McCaughan</title>
		<link>http://realityme.net/2008/08/19/dont-do-business-with-jack-butturini/comment-page-1/#comment-179185</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug McCaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard that location was nice. I never visited that one. We started at the Kingston Pike location in Bearden beside Sonic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard that location was nice. I never visited that one. We started at the Kingston Pike location in Bearden beside Sonic.</p>
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		<title>By: paula</title>
		<link>http://realityme.net/2008/08/19/dont-do-business-with-jack-butturini/comment-page-1/#comment-179184</link>
		<dc:creator>paula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kingston pike near the carpet store. They just opened Deane Hill while we were there and the son had just gotten the dog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kingston pike near the carpet store. They just opened Deane Hill while we were there and the son had just gotten the dog</p>
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