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	<title>Comments on: Knox County Charter Amendments in Plain English</title>
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		<title>By: Number9</title>
		<link>http://realityme.net/2008/10/29/knox-county-charter-amendments-in-plain-english/comment-page-1/#comment-198678</link>
		<dc:creator>Number9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Number 9, you going to explain any of those positions that seem (to you) to be so blatantly obvious?&lt;/i&gt;

Amendment 3: Why lose half your representation? Why create at large offices that will only be won out West? Why have to bill for a civil rights law suit for reducing minority representation? Does anyone really believe at larger Commissioners care about other Districts? Why would anyone spend $100,000 for a job that pays $20,000 a year? Wouldn&#039;t the at large seat be a full time job?

Amendment 4: The voter has the power, why give it to the Mayor? Why create a Mayor King? This is begging for a law suit to test the Jordan ruling, which is crap, and you have to pay the legal bills. What is the point? Why give up your right to vote?

It is blatantly obvious, to most. Barry, why not explain why it isn&#039;t obvious to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Number 9, you going to explain any of those positions that seem (to you) to be so blatantly obvious?</i></p>
<p>Amendment 3: Why lose half your representation? Why create at large offices that will only be won out West? Why have to bill for a civil rights law suit for reducing minority representation? Does anyone really believe at larger Commissioners care about other Districts? Why would anyone spend $100,000 for a job that pays $20,000 a year? Wouldn&#8217;t the at large seat be a full time job?</p>
<p>Amendment 4: The voter has the power, why give it to the Mayor? Why create a Mayor King? This is begging for a law suit to test the Jordan ruling, which is crap, and you have to pay the legal bills. What is the point? Why give up your right to vote?</p>
<p>It is blatantly obvious, to most. Barry, why not explain why it isn&#8217;t obvious to you?</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Number 9, you going to explain any of those positions that seem (to you) to be so blatantly obvious?

Cathy, I&#039;d rather teachers concentrate on teaching our children than also trying to represent their communities in political arenas.  You should say ok to the rule because it&#039;s the right thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Number 9, you going to explain any of those positions that seem (to you) to be so blatantly obvious?</p>
<p>Cathy, I&#8217;d rather teachers concentrate on teaching our children than also trying to represent their communities in political arenas.  You should say ok to the rule because it&#8217;s the right thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug McCaughan</title>
		<link>http://realityme.net/2008/10/29/knox-county-charter-amendments-in-plain-english/comment-page-1/#comment-198360</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug McCaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you read these opinion pieces, do remember that the Metro Pulse is owned by the News Sentinel and the Sentinel wrote a pro Amendment editorial encouraging yes to 3 and 4. The News Sentinel is far from unbiased when it comes to local and national politics and it feels very much like they have a particular agenda. I don&#039;t know if Jack Neely writes for himself in such a piece or if he writes what he is told. My point, use your mind, study the issues (all sides), and make an informed decision. Don&#039;t let my NO recommendations be your vote. Don&#039;t let Neely&#039;s YES recommendations be your vote. Make your own vote!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you read these opinion pieces, do remember that the Metro Pulse is owned by the News Sentinel and the Sentinel wrote a pro Amendment editorial encouraging yes to 3 and 4. The News Sentinel is far from unbiased when it comes to local and national politics and it feels very much like they have a particular agenda. I don&#8217;t know if Jack Neely writes for himself in such a piece or if he writes what he is told. My point, use your mind, study the issues (all sides), and make an informed decision. Don&#8217;t let my NO recommendations be your vote. Don&#8217;t let Neely&#8217;s YES recommendations be your vote. Make your own vote!</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
		<link>http://realityme.net/2008/10/29/knox-county-charter-amendments-in-plain-english/comment-page-1/#comment-198294</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.metropulse.com/news/2008/oct/22/lets-pass-damn-charter-amendments/

Here&#039;s some more opinion on this if anybody cares, lol.</description>
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<p>Here&#8217;s some more opinion on this if anybody cares, lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Number9</title>
		<link>http://realityme.net/2008/10/29/knox-county-charter-amendments-in-plain-english/comment-page-1/#comment-198151</link>
		<dc:creator>Number9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry, there is a clause in Amendment 4 where the County Mayor can fire the law director and fee offices without cause. That is flat wrong. 

You should vote against Charter Amendment 4 if only for that reason. 

You should vote against Charter Amendment 3 because it is so unfair to the people in District One. 

Why does this have to be done now in such a convoluted way? Let&#039;s do it right in 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, there is a clause in Amendment 4 where the County Mayor can fire the law director and fee offices without cause. That is flat wrong. </p>
<p>You should vote against Charter Amendment 4 if only for that reason. </p>
<p>You should vote against Charter Amendment 3 because it is so unfair to the people in District One. </p>
<p>Why does this have to be done now in such a convoluted way? Let&#8217;s do it right in 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teachers shouldn&#039;t be denied the right to be a part of local government.  They are uniquely qualified.  Why would I say okay to a rule and hope that it can later be changed instead of saying no, this needs to be rewritten?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teachers shouldn&#8217;t be denied the right to be a part of local government.  They are uniquely qualified.  Why would I say okay to a rule and hope that it can later be changed instead of saying no, this needs to be rewritten?</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s so special about all those positions that the public has to be the ones to directly choose the people to fill them.

And relatedly, what&#039;s so inherently fragile about those positions that the chance of nepotistic appointments and approvals could so seriously damage their capability to do a good job?

Sounds like that could just as easily apply to any other hired/appointed position in the county.  I think it&#039;s up to the public to elect honest people to the posts we do elect, and if they screw up and start appointing their cronies that break the law, throw business to their friends, etc then we have to at least partly blame ourselves for not electing the most dependable people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s so special about all those positions that the public has to be the ones to directly choose the people to fill them.</p>
<p>And relatedly, what&#8217;s so inherently fragile about those positions that the chance of nepotistic appointments and approvals could so seriously damage their capability to do a good job?</p>
<p>Sounds like that could just as easily apply to any other hired/appointed position in the county.  I think it&#8217;s up to the public to elect honest people to the posts we do elect, and if they screw up and start appointing their cronies that break the law, throw business to their friends, etc then we have to at least partly blame ourselves for not electing the most dependable people.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug McCaughan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug McCaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, #4 is a potential abuse of power. I am considering your statement that &quot;They are skill positions, not leadership/decision-making positions.&quot; I get irritated at the good ol&#039; boy network in Knoxville and for the mayor to be able to appoint the positions unchecked by the public worries me. Yes, the Commission would have to approve the positions but the way our City/County governments work, that&#039;s not saying much. My mind keeps going back to the hearings where developers are shaking hands and being buddy buddy with the officials who are laughing and sharing stories then at the snap of their fingers the officials turn their glare to the citizens and their demeanor changes to stern as everyone seats themselves. Its like development hearings are a facade and I don&#039;t want that same practice seeping into our county government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, #4 is a potential abuse of power. I am considering your statement that &#8220;They are skill positions, not leadership/decision-making positions.&#8221; I get irritated at the good ol&#8217; boy network in Knoxville and for the mayor to be able to appoint the positions unchecked by the public worries me. Yes, the Commission would have to approve the positions but the way our City/County governments work, that&#8217;s not saying much. My mind keeps going back to the hearings where developers are shaking hands and being buddy buddy with the officials who are laughing and sharing stories then at the snap of their fingers the officials turn their glare to the citizens and their demeanor changes to stern as everyone seats themselves. Its like development hearings are a facade and I don&#8217;t want that same practice seeping into our county government.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, she swung her vote on a procedural issue.  The fact two (semi-) unrelated issues are in the same question.  I&#039;m in favor of both halves, so it doesn&#039;t bother me to support it.

I can see someone who doesn&#039;t support one half and does support the other deciding to vote NO but only for that reason.  Not just because it&#039;s worded awkwardly.

We have enough trouble in this county to worry about semantics when progress is on the table.  I don&#039;t really accept that as an excuse to note vote for it.

And I still don&#039;t see the reasoning behind your NO on #4...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, she swung her vote on a procedural issue.  The fact two (semi-) unrelated issues are in the same question.  I&#8217;m in favor of both halves, so it doesn&#8217;t bother me to support it.</p>
<p>I can see someone who doesn&#8217;t support one half and does support the other deciding to vote NO but only for that reason.  Not just because it&#8217;s worded awkwardly.</p>
<p>We have enough trouble in this county to worry about semantics when progress is on the table.  I don&#8217;t really accept that as an excuse to note vote for it.</p>
<p>And I still don&#8217;t see the reasoning behind your NO on #4&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Doug McCaughan</title>
		<link>http://realityme.net/2008/10/29/knox-county-charter-amendments-in-plain-english/comment-page-1/#comment-198004</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug McCaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that Lisa Starbuck, one of the original people helping draft the amendments, now &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=67082&amp;catid=2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;advocates voting no to the amendments&lt;a&gt;. I think that says a lot about the amendments and is probably reason enough to vote no to at least 3 and 4 if may not all 4 amendments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that Lisa Starbuck, one of the original people helping draft the amendments, now <a href="http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=67082&#038;catid=2" rel="nofollow">advocates voting no to the amendments</a><a>. I think that says a lot about the amendments and is probably reason enough to vote no to at least 3 and 4 if may not all 4 amendments.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, #3 and #4 are no-brainer &quot;Yes&quot;&#039;s.

I agree that the unrelatedness of the two parts of #3 are a problem, but I happen to agree with them both and don&#039;t think you should reject the question out of hand because you don&#039;t like the way it&#039;s constructed.

That said - reducing the # of commissioners reduces the likelihood of the # of people on the board who might tend to disrupt good flow of progress.  It only takes a couple to slow down a process or to embarrass the county.  Witness all that have happened with &quot;Lumpy&quot; and &quot;Scooby&quot; - will they be remembered for their good leadership or the press for their wild personalities?   A commission of 19 gives a much better chance for 3-5 people like that, than a commission of 11.  There are always going to be more helpful than unhelpful people, but sometimes there&#039;s a tipping point where the press for the bad outweighs the good.  I also believe having two possibly conflicting views in one district, while maybe making good exploration of issues, at this time in our history is not for the best.  So one voice per district is a good idea.

The nepotism provision I believe is a good step to slice off that ugly side of local politics.  While I don&#039;t, in principle, believe school-teachers and other non-political county employees should necessarily be prevented from holding county office I think the door should be open for reinstating those positions as eligible in the future.  But it&#039;s not a deal-breaker - it&#039;s an egg you break that later can be made back into an omelet.  Ok, that was an odd analogy.

As for #4, I&#039;ve help the position for a long, long, long time that those county offices had no business being elected positions.  None of them are necessary for the electorate to have to decide on any more than us voting on who is the principal of the local high school or who runs the Knox County IT department.  Let the Mayor do due diligence on the best qualified people for the job, hire/appoint them, let the Commission approve, and be done with it.  They are skill positions, not leadership/decision-making positions that require the people&#039;s will be answered.  Register the Deeds, Clerk the County, Trustee and Law Direct us - we don&#039;t have any business deciding ourselves who&#039;s qualified or not qualified for those positions any more than the electorate has the wisdom to decide whether I&#039;m qualified for my job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, #3 and #4 are no-brainer &#8220;Yes&#8221;&#8216;s.</p>
<p>I agree that the unrelatedness of the two parts of #3 are a problem, but I happen to agree with them both and don&#8217;t think you should reject the question out of hand because you don&#8217;t like the way it&#8217;s constructed.</p>
<p>That said &#8211; reducing the # of commissioners reduces the likelihood of the # of people on the board who might tend to disrupt good flow of progress.  It only takes a couple to slow down a process or to embarrass the county.  Witness all that have happened with &#8220;Lumpy&#8221; and &#8220;Scooby&#8221; &#8211; will they be remembered for their good leadership or the press for their wild personalities?   A commission of 19 gives a much better chance for 3-5 people like that, than a commission of 11.  There are always going to be more helpful than unhelpful people, but sometimes there&#8217;s a tipping point where the press for the bad outweighs the good.  I also believe having two possibly conflicting views in one district, while maybe making good exploration of issues, at this time in our history is not for the best.  So one voice per district is a good idea.</p>
<p>The nepotism provision I believe is a good step to slice off that ugly side of local politics.  While I don&#8217;t, in principle, believe school-teachers and other non-political county employees should necessarily be prevented from holding county office I think the door should be open for reinstating those positions as eligible in the future.  But it&#8217;s not a deal-breaker &#8211; it&#8217;s an egg you break that later can be made back into an omelet.  Ok, that was an odd analogy.</p>
<p>As for #4, I&#8217;ve help the position for a long, long, long time that those county offices had no business being elected positions.  None of them are necessary for the electorate to have to decide on any more than us voting on who is the principal of the local high school or who runs the Knox County IT department.  Let the Mayor do due diligence on the best qualified people for the job, hire/appoint them, let the Commission approve, and be done with it.  They are skill positions, not leadership/decision-making positions that require the people&#8217;s will be answered.  Register the Deeds, Clerk the County, Trustee and Law Direct us &#8211; we don&#8217;t have any business deciding ourselves who&#8217;s qualified or not qualified for those positions any more than the electorate has the wisdom to decide whether I&#8217;m qualified for my job.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug McCaughan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug McCaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting that again. I meant to include it and the other related sites and forgot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting that again. I meant to include it and the other related sites and forgot.</p>
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		<title>By: Number9</title>
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		<dc:creator>Number9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.saveknox.org/

Has the timeline and both Charter Amendments explained.</description>
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<p>Has the timeline and both Charter Amendments explained.</p>
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